Sure there's fire but I also link up in various locaitons. When a company is nearing bankruptcy they might do "whatever it takes" in order to save their financial situation. Selling data can be a matter of survival, even if you a 'safe' by an agreement you may never know what happens to the data in the cloud - which, can be quite sensitive at times… and that's only the worst case scenario.
Essentially they may in such a case just lack the resources to make sure your data stays private, there could also be a take over which may mean a different set of values around data. And if anyone thinks that this may not happen due to Evernote's strength right now; think again. There are not many companies that actually survive for, say, over 50 years or even 30 years…. I can't find anything in the library…. Selling data can be a matter of survival, even if you a 'safe' by an agreement you may never know what happens to the data in the cloud - which, can be quite sensitive at times I guess the answer is you can export your notes in enex or HTML… though I wonder if there's a place on the HD where the files are stored?
For desktop machines, yes, your data is stored, in toto, on your local hard drive. On the Mac, I don't know, but it's there somewhere.
Let's just agree to disagree on the point "your data is safe when a company goes bust". I don't think it is you think it is. The point I'm making is you can't know for sure. And it is actually highly likely that Evernote will not exist forever - the only question is: will it survive me. For the purpose of the conversation it doesn't matter.
Hence, my feature request for zero-knowledge encrypted notebooks in Evernote. I don't agree with you: the fact that you have your data on your local drive as well means that, even if Evernote were to disappear from 1 day to the next, you still have that copy of ALL your data on your local drive. So there is no need to keep hammering the point, just be aware that your data is your sole responsibility, not Evernote's!!! If you were not aware of it, then you are now. Your local database on your Mac: see Grumpy Monkey's mail above.
I dont use Tresorit by the way. As for Evernote, they are far from zero-knowledge. But we are now getting off the original subject of this thread. I use zero-knowledge loosely to mean companies that encrypt your data but do not hold the encryption key. In fact, it seems to be quite difficult to "prove" that this is the case on the cloud.
The link was extremely informative, and I encourage people to read it along with the blogs at each company. I use SpiderOak myself. Evernote is very, very far away from this emerging standard. I don't know why, because the company leaders are knowledgable about this stuff. As for the topic, it is tangentially related to the OP's question. When companies go bust or near it, things happen. It takes a year or so to get rid of your data in EN, so you could potentially have your data floating around for a while without daily management.
Fortunately, Evernote has publicly made its position clear, and they will not "sell" your data, so we are really speculating about the realm of impropriety or illegality. At least some of this concern could be assuaged by zero knowledge encryption for notebooks.
It is worth stressing, in relation to the OP's original question, that your data is very much in your hands. It's just that some of us think we should also ask who else's hands it could potentially get into.
Speculation, to be sure, but useful nonetheless. Feel free to flag me as a spammer, report me, move me, or anything else you believe should be done. I'm prepared to be moderated! What happens to my notes if Evernote goes bust? Recommended Posts. DutchPete Posted June 5, Posted June 5, Link to comment.
Metrodon 2, Posted June 5, You can export to HTML. HTML is pretty portable. So why are people always up in arms about EN's poor exportability?? I have absolutely no idea. Because people like to complain? People don't like change, people love to complain.
What does export to HTML do to the notes? Is everything of each note exported, such as: attachments pictures metadata Sure - but why don't you give it a try? Then you'll know for sure. BurgersNFries 2, Posted June 5, Ciprian - IdeaPlaces app 15 Posted June 5, I pretty pretty safe retaining backups in ENML format.
DutchPete Posted June 6, Posted June 6, Ciprian: where can one find these tools?? GrumpyMonkey 4, Posted June 6, RobLewis 26 Posted June 6, Yeah, this has wandered off the topic a bit. Anyway, I do use the reminders workaround in certain circumstances. Posted August 24, I agree there are challenges and many unanswered questions at this time, yet I continue to be optimistic about the future of Evernote despite the recent news.
There is a lot to come from Evernote in the next couple of months and even more in Interesting discussion, facts are that only a very small amount of people will have a really good idea of what is happening now and even they won't know what is coming. I guess this isn't unusual in a growing software as a service company trying to hit that critical mass number to guarantee long term success.
It might not get them to 1 billion users, but a strong million user product should be able to do quite well one would think. The product is pretty darn good now! I hope they don't pursue a boom or bust strategy and end up imploding. Either way I wouldn't think they are going anywhere soon. He already failed at Google Glass and is pretty clearly failing now.
The most damning evidence of that is not financial though It's highly amusing watching these Evernote stalwarts trying to remain positive when there is so little to be positive about. I must admit though, if I'd sunk my life into living in the Evernote forums I'd be suffering a little confirmation bias also.
I have been a Premium Evernote customer since the early days and absolutely loathe the habitual spin that pervades all levels of it's management. It's cultural. Case in point is the latest Brand Fresh - take a look at Chris O'Neill's tweets pumping up a big announcement and then the palatable let down in the replies when everyone realised they had essentially changed the icon colors and curvature of Mad's trunk.
I have given up hoping Evernote will get it's act together. How is that clear? Evernote is a company with a positive cash flow and over million user accounts.
Its completely your choice to use the service or not. I don't understand why you chose to use Evernote, then post boohoo posts. If it's not working for you, don't use it. And before you respond about my eyes one eyed , I am an Evernote fan. I consider it smart to not use services unless I'm a fan.
This seemed like a total waste of time, effort and expense. I don't know that any of the regular users of this forum were impressed. In fact, I'd guess most were let down, as most of the regular posters have a list of improvements they'd like to see in the product, and I'd venture to say that not a single person had "change the icon color" or "change the elephant trunk's curvature" in their top 10 or even top list of desired changes.
Similarly for emojis, this has been met with much scorn and derision by longtime forum members. In the Windows subforum, the emojis are now a running joke. So I guess I'm not sure why you think the longtime forum users are blind to the missteps and diversions at Evernote. If projects had to be postponed or simply given up then some high-ranking manager s had failed miserably. Because one needs to have a substantial amount of spare money in the piggy bank to balance out that sort of cash gone down the drain.
One of those totally useless, money-wasting projects, was the logo redesign. Looking at the quick launch bar right now I cannot but say that the new Evernote icon is a graphic designer's disaster. You keep repeating cash flow and the number of user accounts.
Net cash proceeds in excess of running costs including investments plus accruals as allowed by the Tax Office make a financially sound company. The number of payers count and their revenue. The next 12 - 15 months will decide on Evernote's financial viability because an awful lot of users are now tired of not seeing genuine advancements. Evernote may satisfy your personal workflow, but please do not expect other users to have the same degree of satisfaction.
I've heard there's a staff reduction in progress. No, I don't understand the implications; I'm not party to the development priorities at Evernote. DTLow, thanks for your reply. Please allow me to hit the ball back over the net to you on some of those serves. How much information do you need? Active paying users are all that matters in terms of financial viability. I suspect it is both. So you never give feedback or complain when a service you are paying for does not work for you?
You just quietly tolerate it or quietly leave. Good for you. It's a free world. I'm pretty certain Evernote are thankful their unhappy customers don't just leave or the business would be dead overnight. Personally, I think it more helpful to be honest and hope that the management, on balance, listens and takes action. After many years without improvement to see how farcical the situation has become refer my post at. Anyway, as I said, my personal preference is that Evernote gets acquired.
I think Atlassian would be great suitor, and if that happens Chris O'Neill would be shown the door in a flash he should have left now anyway given that he hired and managed all the high level execs that left recently and I am pretty certain we would see the spin disappear, the product development ramp up, a real testing methodology introduced and most of all, the crappy code cleaned up that underlies the constant stream of inexcusable bugs I give feedback all the time.
It's like the kids in the back seat on a long trip; Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet They're not being helpful. I honestly cannot understand what you are saying or how you can conclude that based on what I have said in this post, or other posts for that matter. What is clear is that you have conveniently ignored the points I have made. Anyway, good on you for doing all that free work for Evernote. I am glad you have the time. They would be really screwed if they couldn't get such free labour.
I personally expect to get a product of a decent level of quality when I am paying for it, and if I am spending all my time working for a company then I prefer to be on the payroll.
I think they are less so now but my general experience in these forums is that they are overpowered by one eyed Evernote zealots who can see no wrong in anything Evernote does. Normal users get drowned out with an overwhelming bias from them that destroys any ability to have a factual and meritorious discussion. Some just plain lie, some are just plain wrong, and many quickly revert to playing the man and not the ball plenty of evidence in this thread alone , seemingly because they take personal offence at the suggestion that some people don't see "their Evernote baby" as being as beautiful as they see it.
Not all the "Gurus" fall into this category but many do. Unfortunately too many of them act like the number of posts they make is an indication of their knowledge and importance. While not the cause of the current issues at Evernote, I don't think the bias of these zealots is really helping the company. Anyway, there is a noticeable change of late where I think we are seeing a more honest dialog that it's not all beer and skittles with Evernote, the company and the product.
That's a good thing but I think it's too late for the company. Hopefully not the product. As I said, I'd prefer to see the company acquired, the current management just ripped straight out and replaced and the product live on where it is part of larger ecosphere.
If you know a little about Atlassian you'd see how it's almost made to order. I couldn't agree more eric Profitability alone is no measure of success. Many companies are not profitable for many years while they scale up. Amazon is another classic example. Users do not pay for the Evernote editor app. Users do not pay for the upgrades. Evernote provides the software at no charge. I use the editor for basic notes, and use external dedicated editors when I need quality such as word processing.
A put down by accusing me of not providing feedback; then a put down down because I provide feedback. If anyone would like to hear the words of Chris O'Neill directly, the podcast interview I referenced was on "The Productivityist" published 8th August.
The business talk starts at around the 29 minute mark with discussion about development of AI, task management etc. I find it interesting he mentions that number one priority is product reliability and acknowledges 'they aren't there yet'. Funny thing is Evernote have been deducting my credit card for years and you are telling me that it is free.
Let me check.. Nope, it certainly looks like they are still charging their customers. I'm not sure how they would have a business if they didn't. Seriously, DTLow why write something like this that you know is just plain incorrect and won't fool anyone.
I am genuinely curious. For the quality and tone of your posts, it seems to be an approriate value. Really, that's your best!? I'll take that as an admission that you are out of any constructive contribution.
TIP: Focus on the ball. You never win in life playing the man. Thanks very much for providing the link. They are not the same thing. In fact, the term "budget" is pretty nebulous and could be defined in any manner self serving since it is not an accounting term like revenue, which has a clear accounting definition. It sounds like a large figure but it really doesn't mean anything. That would have been really bad. Ok, come on now. Evernote still has a free version available at the link you mentioned; this is an easily verifiable fact.
Now feel free to get back to debating Evernote's imminent -- or not -- demise, pins dancing on the heads of angels, how much Chris O'Neill spends on socks, and other very important matters above my pay grade, knowledge domain and level of interest You make this distinction often, but Evernote the product consists of the app and their service. Yes, there is a free version, and one could say we are paying for the enhanced service benefits but we do get both, it is a package deal. Those of us that pay "are" paying for the app development, the free users certainly are not.
To try and separate out the editor from the service is a little disingenuous, and whether intended or not, comes across as a justification for their substandard editor. No; For note content, it's possible to never use the Evernote editor. I also have many pdf files and images. This is my justification for ignoring the editor deficiencies; I use whatever tool works best. Whether for serious work or not, everyone uses the editor to some degree.
To try and separate the editor from the service when discussing Evernote the product seems a bit dishonest to me. The point I was trying to make is that Premium and Plus users are paying for the editor development, so yes, for them it is a package deal. I was going to apologize for hijacking the thread but this is probably a better discussion than talking about EN going out of business? I use the Evernote editor for basic notes; it's working well for me.
If the editor isn't working for you; use a different editor - there are plenty to chose from. As an employee producing a report; I would not use the Evernote editor. The product would be unacceptable. I do store the report in Evernote. This doesn't change the fact; the software is free , Paid or Basic account. It's also free. In the initial years, development was funded by investor money.
There are rumours Evernote is seeking additional investor funding. Anyways, I have no problem with development funded by investors. There's a theory that the English laugh three times at a joke. Once when it's told, once when it's explained, once when they understand. I laughed at EdH's post. Maybe jefito can explain this one too. My sense of Walter Sobchak's reaction to your postings re the EN editor.
Take a break from the forum and go check out the Big Lebowski Of course it has a free version and it equally has paid versions. My comment was as a user who has been paying for years and that I expect to get a quality product in return. I don't think I do. You may think differently. That's ok. DTLow then responded stating that the product is free, presumable to imply that I should be thankful because I get it for free.
Well I don't, because I am paying and if I am paying I am going to express my views just as any customer would when they are paying. It's really not a hard point to grasp. Perhaps read the thread before feeling the need to lob in with comments next time. I hear you. That's the real problem isn't it. Finally, after years of stagnation, it feels like the company is ready for a comeback. Last month, a new version of Evernote was released for iPhone and iPad.
A few weeks later, the Windows and MacOS apps received a similar makeover. Behind the scenes, Evernote has ripped up and rebuilt the technical infrastructure behind each app.
It was a monumental effort, but one that should allow the company to move faster in the future. That meant the editor — the place where people actually craft notes with text, sketches, images and checklists was a little different on each platform. The biggest shakeup was the formatting toolbar. Evernote reduced the number of top-level shortcuts and enlarged their iconography slightly. Similarly, the company reduced the text color tool, which previously offered multiple selection tools including a full-blown color wheel, down to 14 visually-distinct options.
Evernote added header types that make it easier for people to lay out complex documents. The highlighter was given some extra colors and a new checklist system made it easier to indent and reorganize items. Finally, Evernote created an Insert button that contains shortcuts for tables, dividers, photos, sketches, file attachments and more. That made it difficult for newcomers to know what was possible in the app. The redesigned note editor was rolled out first on the web.
Evernote then took stock and realized that the same thinking could be applied to the broader apps. The team was trying its best to ship new features and respond to user demands, but the different designs and codebases were slowing it down. There was certainly shared features, but not actually completely shared features because some features were being implemented on some devices and not on other devices. Bugs also required platform-specific fixes.
All of this meant Evernote took many months to roll out simple features like dark mode. The different designs also forced users to relearn parts of Evernote whenever they switched to a new platform.
There was an obvious solution: rebuild the apps. Evernote started by asking employees what needed to be fixed and, after analyzing the feedback, came up with roughly separate projects.
It would take many months to work through them all. To make the rebuild easier, Evernote restructured its teams. The company used to have groups dedicated to specific platforms, such as Android and MacOS. The capture zone, for example, was focused solely on how people transfer information into the app. Evernote also expanded its review meetings.
If the team was looking at search on desktop, they would also invite the designer assigned to the mobile implementation. That meant they could easily decide whether a proposed change should be cross-platform or device-specific. Similarly, teams that were built around specific disciplines, such as engineering and design, incorporated employees from other fields, such as customer support and marketing. Evernote wanted to ensure new perspectives were considered in the rebuild process, especially if their roles involved talking to customers directly.
With the new structure in place, the company could start working on specific problems.
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